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Trust meet SPL Chief Executive Neil Doncaster

Chairman David Ogg and board member Ian Kelly met SPL Chief Executive Neil Doncaster at Hampden Park on Wednesday the 5th of January. Below is an outline of the discussion they had with Neil.

Initially Neil outlined the SPL reconstruction proposals with a view to further discussion. He confirmed that the SPL plan had not yet been published because it is not yet final.

It is voluminous plan which involved 8 months of research, work with stakeholders, looking at other models that leagues and countries use.

The proposals are driven by the SPL Board. The drivers for change are money, armageddon factor for relegated club (see later), play offs, unfairness of imbalance of home/away games post split, split not universally understood (and certainly not by armchair supporters down south) with armchair fans seeming to want coverage of only top games.

The current proposals, although not yet finalised, would mean more money for whole of Scottish football according to Neil.

Neil felt that the plans must not be short term, but all inclusive for Scottish senior football, albeit geared to full time professional clubs.

Vision is a key part of the document/plan and talks about player development, Scotland improving in Europe and world scene (club and country).

Details of the SPL Plan. Pyramid structure for Scottish football is important and essential. This is not just to look after the elite – the intention is to invite all clubs to be members of the new structure, with divisional voting, but led from the top. There was no mention of where this leaves the SFL, if all clubs were members of the SPL – which may tie in with McLeish’s aim to reduce Scottish Football management overheads.)

League format to be 2 leagues of 10 teams, then the rest with colt teams, leaving the structure to be fully detailed by those involved. The SPL currently envisage 4 – 6 SPL teams fielding colt teams (under 23s) in lower leagues.

The proposals include play-offs for relegation and promotion. Possibly 2nd & 3rd in (2 legged) semi, 8th & 9th in (2 legged) semi then probably a 2 legged final, with a desire to move to a one-off final. Doubt for the moment is the ability to fill somewhere like Hampden for a play off final. Semi final structure open to debate – Neil noted alternative of 8th in top tier vs 3rd in 2nd tier, and 9th in top tier vs 2nd in 2nd tier as alternative. This remains open to debate.

Regionalisation is still on the cards for lower levels. Financial fair play regulations would be implemented in the top 2 leagues

The current under 21 rule to be scrapped, with each team in top tier having the option to field a colt (u23) team in the lower leagues. According to Neil this would allow developing young players to play in a competitive league environment where results mattered. There are issues with current system where players are loaned loaned out from full time clubs to part-time clubs, including training, coaching, tactical development and correct diet. The colt team system has come from German and Spanish leagues where it is viewed as having been successful by the SPL. Neil believes that there may be a spin off of greater media coverage of lower leagues because the bigger clubs are involved.

Annual match calendar plan would be to start earlier and finish earlier. Possibly may be early to mid-July to mid-end April. Winter break would be fixed, but time would be available for use if the weather doesn’t play to the plan. The major issue in fixture planning is that of the restrictions placed in the calendar by the international breaks and the European tournament requirements. This left very little time to fit in the required number of league games without using mid week winter fixtures on occasion.

The financial model depends on significant input from TV companies. There had been preliminary discussions with TV companies whose commercial interest would peak for a 10 team top tier. A split of any sort was undesirable in commercial certainty terms, particularly where planning for TV coverage and hospitality was concerned. A 16 team top flight would mean only 30 games, losing the financial and commercial imperative of 4 Old Firm and Edinburgh derby games. Smaller clubs would “lose out” on TV possibilities for Old Firm and Edinburgh club away games.

The SPL plan to increase the sliding scale of monies payable from the TV deal from the current 12 team to 20 teams under the new set-up avoiding the massive financial penalty of relegation.

The current structure means that the relegated club faces a massive drop in income as they adjust from SPL to SFL. There is a genuine desire amongst the SPL clubs to address this issue, but it will need an increase in total money available for distribution because the top clubs are not going to accept a drop in income to support this. The attractiveness of the 10 team TV deal facilitates this and this is the reason why the SPL believe that the Chairmen of the smaller clubs are likely to vote for a 20 team SPL with a financial structure to avoid the dismantling of a club that is currently necessary with relegation.

The SPL suggest that 16 team top tier may be superficially attractive, but that this attraction will wear off. SPL does not have quality of some other European Leagues (there is not enough money to attract the top players) but while we don’t have quality we have “excitement” and “drama”, which are marketable qualities and are maximised in a 10 team top tier.

SPL teams will not vote for play-offs (meaning an increased risk of relegation) without the financial restructuring that a 10 team top flight will allow.

History suggests that the richer clubs will continue to get richer and that the poorer clubs will continue to get poorer. The SPL plan does not and cannot address this but it does help to secure the future of more clubs, assuming the TV deal is viable. The solution is not one that appeals to supporters at the moment and the SPL is acutely aware of this, hence Neil Doncaster spending time discussing these issues at a series of meetings with Supporters Trusts. The “sweetener” to the 10 team top flight for the spectator is the possibility of 2 teams relegated and promoted each year, which would at least create some kind of opportunity for throughput of teams on a year to year basis.

The difficulty is the desire and requirement of the paying (through the gate) spectator vs the money available for the most attractive TV deal.

SPL accept that the current model is not too bad, but is a diminishing asset in terms of revenue. However, there are the issues noted as drivers for change above.

David and Ian noted our doubts about the likely style of play to be adopted in a 10 team top tier. Neil countered this by the observation that managers did not change their team’s style of play on the basis of the size of the league. Equally, certain managers are prepared to blood young players where as other managers are not prepared to take such risks at all. He argued that the size of the league is not going to have any influence in what managers do in terms of style of play or in terms of playing young players.

We suggested other models of size of league, but were quickly assured that almost all available models had been looked at it it was going to be 10 teams in the top tier or the status quo. Play offs will only come with the injection of cash brought by a 10 team top flight.

The Accies Trust is very grateful to Neil Doncaster and the SPL for a very useful, constructive and informative meeting. We hope that this sort of consultation will become a regular feature of football management. It seems that the fans desire for a larger top tier league in Scotland is not financially viable at the moment and while the Accies Trust reps at the meeting understand this, it does not mean that they would not still prefer to see a larger top tier league with different financial arrangements for the participating clubs.

The Trust are in discussions with Supporters Direct, who are planning to arrange a meeting with other Trusts, to formulate a position to ensure that fans’ voices are heard and understood.

David and Ian will be having an open discussion after this year’s AGM. You are welcome to come along to the AGM to discuss the meeting we had with Neil in more detail. Alternatively, please feel free to contact us via this link.

Your thoughts are very much welcomed and help guide us on how and where the Trust can ensure that Accies fans opinions are shared with the club and the SPL.

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10

01 2011

McLeish Report and SPL proposals: Your opinion counts!

Supporters Direct Scotland are running a poll to gather the opinions of fans around the country on the recommendations of Henry McLeish and the SPL’s working group.

By filling out the survey yourself, and encouraging as many others as you know to do the same, you can help make the survey as representative as possible of fan opinion in Scottish football. Please help.

In the last week, the SPL have made their own proposals for the future of football in Scotland, and this was followed today (Thursday 16th) by the second part of Henry McLeish’s report. We will all have our own views about what each has proposed, but one thing that is clear is that neither has consulted widely and directly with Scottish football fans. As William Gaillard (then UEFA Director of Communications) pointed out at a Supporters Direct Conference in 2009, if we only have players then we only have an amateur game. To have a professional game, there must be fans.

So that the fans voice can be clearly heard, Supporters Direct are conducting a survey seeking views on a number of aspects of the McLeish and SPL recommendations. You can find this at:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/scottishfootball

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Henry McLeish publishes Scottish Football Review, Part Two
SPL to consider radical shake-up: BBC

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17

12 2010

Accies Trust attend the Supporters Direct Scottish Conference

Andy Walsh, the General Manager of FC United of Manchester, speaking at the 2010 Supporters Direct Scotland Conference

The Trust attended the annual Supporters Direct Scottish Conference held in Stirling, along with over 30 other Scottish trusts.

The opening plenary of the conference witnessed speeches from Keith Ferguson (Development Officer for Centre for Access to Football Europe) and Andy Walsh (General Manager for FC United of Manchester).

Keith Ferguson represented Centre for Access to Football Europe (CAFE). CAFE want all disabled supporters to enjoy a football match as a problem-free experience and believes it can raise disability awareness throughout Europe.

Keith opened his talk with an league table, compiled by a Heart of Midlothian disabled supporters group, comparing the facilities they have encountered, in the away end, during their trips through the Scottish league grounds. This made particular interesting reading for the Accies contingent.

Keith aims to organise an umbrella organisation for disabled supporters groups to raise awareness of disability issues in Scottish football and to ensure clubs and supporters understand their needs.

The Trust has been in contact with Keith since the conference and further discussion on what assistance we can offer Keith will be brought up at the summer board meeting.

Keith’s talk was followed by a very impassioned and inspiring talk from Andy Walsh, the General Manager of FC United of Manchester. They are a semi-professional club based in Bury, Greater Manchester, and currently playing in the Northern Premier League Premier Division, the 7th tier of league football.

The club was formed in 2005 by Manchester United supporters following Malcolm Glazer’s controversial takeover which led to hundreds of supporters defecting from the club.

Keith spoke about the current status of English football and the changing club-fan relationship over the last 20 years.

He continued to talk about the well publicised reasons behind the foundation of FC United and followed on with some fascinating insights into how his club have increased membership, maintained that membership and maximised members participation. He also discussed building relationships in your community.

An excellent speaker.

The Trust then attended the Funding Community Projects and Building Membership workshops which were great for learning and sharing best practices.

Again, many ideas to take back to the summer board meeting.

The closing discussion was on the Trusts response to the SFA review. The main issues of concern for supporters’ trusts were shared and the practical steps that supporters and trusts can take in regard to the SFA review and to the wider issues in Scottish football.

Supporters Direct will produce an action plan later in the month. Something the Trust look forward to reading with great interest.

Overall, a very good conference. Some new insights and ideas that can only benefit the Accies Trust into the new season.

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13

06 2010

Win an Accies Shirt

Supporters Direct logoYou can win an Accies shirt by completing the Supporters Direct in Scotland Supporters Survey. Further information below.

Complete our ten minute survey and enter a prize draw to win a Scottish football club shirt of your choice.

Supporters Direct in Scotland have put together an online survey to measure the views of supporters on a range of footballing issues. The survey only takes a few minutes to complete and covers pyramid leagues, youth football and the running of the game in Scotland.

The responses will be used to allow Supporters Direct to contribute to current and future discussions surrounding Scottish football. The closing date for responses is Sunday 18 October 2009.

The survey can be found at:
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s/172960/scottish-football

Terms and Conditions for the Prize Draw can be found on the Supporters Direct Website:
http://www.supporters-direct.org/news/item.asp?n=5537&cat=%

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12

10 2009

Trust attend Supporters Direct course in Kilmarnock

Supporters Direct Scotland meeting

Supporters Direct Scotland meeting

The Accies Trust attended an excellent Board Member Development course at Rugby Park, Kilmarnock on the 6th of September.

The course was organised by Elaine Millar and James Proctor of Supporters Direct Scotland. Also in attendance were the Killie Trust (Kilmarnock) and the Queens Trust (Queen of the South).

The 6-hour session covered a range of topics such as the structure of Trusts, shareholding rights, governance, planning, organisation of boards, responsibilities, structuring meetings, communication and stakeholders.

It gave the board members who attended (Chairman David Ogg, Secretary Craig Rankin and Graeme Brown) an ideal opportunity to analyse the current workings of the Trust, gather ideas from other participants and look at efficiently managing the Trust, along with the fellow board members, into the future.

The Trust also gained a greater understanding of the principles of Supporters Direct Scotland and their advice and contacts will prove invaluable to the Trust over the coming years.

We also had an opportunity to discuss how the other Trusts build relationships with their local communities and clubs and how the Trust can be the linchpin between the two.

Our thanks go to Elaine and James for organising the session, the Killie Trust for arranging the venue and David Linden, of the Queens Trust, for supplying the above picture.

A valuable event which should lay a solid foundation as the Accies Trust moves forward.

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Supporters Direct Scotland
Killie Trust
Queens Trust

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09 2009